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I am, with much esteem, Gentlemen, Your most ob'dt and hon'ble servant,
G. K. ELPHINSTON. CHAMBER of COMMERCE, New York.
SIR,
I am happy in taking the earliest opportunity of conveying the grate- full sense the Chamber of Commerce entertain for the Favor conferred on them by your Letter of 28th Ult., relative to the two Vessells belonging to this Port who quitted your Convoy bound to Quebec and are since said to be taken by the Rebels. As a Mercantile Body, the Chamber hold them- selves bound to the Community to avail themselves of every means in their Power to detect the Frauds which there is so much reason to apprehend have been practised on both sides of the water since the commencement of this most unnatural Rebellion. 203 I am, therefore, directed by the Chamber of Commerce to return you the Thanks of that Corporation, which I am proud to have the honor of doing, for your kind communication, and also to accept your further obliging offer of the Extracts relative to those Vessells from the Log Books of the WARWICK and GARLAND; which, together with your Letter on that subject, they beg to have your permission to Publish.
I have the Honor to be, with great respect, by order of the Corporation of the Chamber of Commerce, Sir,
Your most obedient and most H'ble Servant,
ISAAC Low, President.
The Hon'ble Cap. ELPHINSTON.
NEW YORK, October 3d, 1781.
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CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 4th October, 1781. SPECIAL MEETING.
PRESENT.
Isaac Low,
President.
Thomas Buchanan,
Vice do.
Robert R. Waddle,
Treasurer.
Anthony Van Dam,
Secretary.
James Douglass,
William Hodgzard,
John Murray,
William Seton,
John McAdam,
Frederick Rhinelander,
William Backhouse,
Joseph Allicocke,
Richard Sharpe,
Daniel McCormick,
Thomas C. Williams,
Alexan'r Forteach,
Gerrard Walton,
Henry Brevoort,
John Ponsonby,
Joshua Watson,
Augustus Van Horne,
Oliver Templeton,
John Miller,
William Walton,
William Laight,
Abram Walton,
William Lowther,
Samuel Donaldson,
William Ustick,
Patrick McDavitt,
John Moore,
John Tench,
David Seabury.
The President communicated a Letter from Governor Robertson, signifying that the Admiral was in want of a number of Seamen to man the Fleet 204 in this particular Season of events ; wherefore, this Corporation, taking the Governor's requisition into consideration, think it of the utmost importance to his Majesty's service that every aid be given thereto; they unanimously agree that this Cor- poration will raise among themselves the Sum of Four Hundred Guineas, to be paid in Bountys 205 to the Seamen that shall enter as Volunteers.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 6th November, 1781.
PRESENT.
Isaac Low, President. Robert R. Waddel, Treasurer.
Anthony Van Dam, Secretary.
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Jacob Watson, William Lowther, William Laight, Gerrard Walton,
William Backhouse, Henry Brevoort, Augustus Van Horne, William Walton.
Fined for appearing after six o'clock :
Alexanr. Forteath,
James Douglas,
Andrew Kerr,
Samuel Donaldson,
William Pagan, Fred'k Rhinelander,
John Moore,
William Ustick,
John Miller, Patrick McDavitt,
Daniel McCormick.
Ordered-That Messrs. Gerrard Walton, Frederick Rhinelander, Lawrence Kortright, Augustus Van Horne, Alexander Wallace, and John Miller, be a Committee untill the first Tuesday in December next, to hear and determine disputes between parties submitting the same to their determination, and that they do report their pro- ceedings to this Corporation.
DISPUTES having arisen between the owners of Ves- sells and Freighters on Voyages intended to be made to Virginia, which have not been performed, and it appears that William Lowther, owner of one Vessell, and Mr. Hodgzard, owner of another ; Mr. Douglas, a Freighter for himself and others, desire to have the opinion of the Chamber at large.
And debates having arisen, it was determined-
THAT a moiety of the Freight paid shall be detained by the owner of the Vessell, or if any have not paid they then do pay half the agreed freight, the Voyage having been set aside by the mutual consent.
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NEW YORK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 4th December, 1781.
PRESENT.
Isaac Low, President.
Thomas Buchanan,
Vice-Pres't.
Robert R. Waddle,
Treasurer.
Anthony Van Dam, Secretary.
William Laight,
Edward Laight,
Patrick McDavitt,
Jacob Watson,
John Oothout,
Thomas C. Williams,
Alexan'r Wallace,
Gerrard Walton,
John Moore,
William Backhouse,
Abram Walton,
Vincent P. Ashfield,
William Lowther,
Oliver Templeton.
Fined for appearing after six o'clock :
John Murray,
John Miller,
John Tench.
Ordered-That Messrs. Samuel Donaldson, William Backhouse, Richard Sharpe, John Murray, Jacob Wat- son, William Kenyon, and John McAdam, be a Com- mittee untill the first Tuesday in January next, to hear and determine disputes between parties submitting such to their determination and that they do report their proceedings to this Corporation.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 2d January, 1782.
PRESENT.
Isaac Low, President. Anthony Van Dam, Secretary.
Edward Laight, Jacob Watson,
William Lowther.
After six o'clock :
William Backhouse, James Douglas,
David Seabury.
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Committee for January : William Pagan, Edward Goold, John Oothout, Oliver Templeton, John Tench, William Ustick.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 5th February, 1782.
PRESENT.
Isaac Low, President.
Thomas Buchanan, Vice-Prt.
Robert R. Waddel, Treasurer. Anthony Van Dam, Secretary.
Oliver Templeton,
John Tench,
William Kenyon,
David Seabury,
William Backhouse,
Augustus Van Horne,
Samuel Hake,
Edward Laight,
Patrick McDavitt,
Abram Walton,
William Laight,
Jacob Watson,
William Pagan,
Gerrard Walton,
John Miller.
Fined for appearing after six o'clock :
Isaac Low,
Daniel McCormick,
Frederick Rhinelander, Robert R. Waddel,
John Oothout.
Ordered-That Messrs. William Lowther, Henry Brevoort, John Taylor, William Laight, Patrick Mc- Davitt, Richard Smith, and David Seabury, be a Com- mittee untill the first Tuesday in March next, to hear and determine disputes between parties submitting such to their determination, and that they do report their proceedings to this Corporation.
MR. PRESIDENT having convened many of the Mem- bers on the 9th Ultimo in consequence of a Letter rec'd from the Magistrates of Police, intimating that the arrival of the Provision Fleets 206 had reduced the price of Flour, he was directed to reply thereto, and both
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Letters are now ordered to be transcribed in the minutes as follows :-
POLICE, 8th January, 1782.
SIR,
We are informed from the arrival of the Provision Fleet, and a number of Prizes, 207 that the price of Flour is at present reduced, and in all probability will continue so for some time. The Chamber of Commerce favoring us with the average price of Flour, and their opinion of the necessary alteration in the price of Bread, we shall immediately lay it before the Commandant for his orders to regulate Bread accordingly. If the Chamber of Commerce would be so good as to favor us Monthly with their opinion in regard to the price of Flour and Bread, we should esteem it a favor.
We are, with much esteem, Sir, Your most obedt. hble servts.,
ANDREW ELLIOT, Supert. Genl. D. MATHEWS, Mayor.
ISAAC Low, Esqr.,
President of the Chamber of Commerce.
GENTLEMEN,
I convened the Chamber of Commerce yesterday, on purpose to take into consideration the Letter you honored me with relative to the Price of Flour. It is their opinion that the present price of the best fresh Flour may be estimated at 56s. p. ct., and, as it is a common practice with the Bakers to give Eight Pounds of Bread for Seven Pounds of Flour, and as they also gave a Loaf weighing Two Pounds for sixteen Coppe "s 208 when the Price of Flour was estimated at 7os. per ct., the Chamber of Commerce think they can at the present price, equally, if not better, afford to give a Quarter of a Pound more in each Loaf for Fourteen Coppers.
Upon this principle, then, the Long Loaf of the best flour ought to weigh Two Pounds and a Quarter, and the Round Loaf Two Pounds and Three Quarters for one shilling. The Chamber are, however, sorry to be under the necessity of reminding the Police that the last regulation of the heavy round Loaves has never, that they can learn, been regarded. And it is too evident to require illustration, that unless it be vigilantly and strictly enforced [it ] must entirely defeat the whole intention of regulating the Price of Bread, and throw all the difference between the price of good and bad Flour altoge- ther into the Bakers' Pockets.
If, therefore, the Bakers can be compelled to make no long Loaves of any but the best Flour, and to make up all other that is in the least degree defi-
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cient in fineness or any other respect into the round heavy Loaves, and that both the long and round Loaves be properly baked and dryed, and not delivered, as is too often the case, in so moist a state as to defeat the inten- tion of Weighing, the Chamber will be both proud and happy to contribute their aid to a Measure in which the Good of the Public is so deeply inter- ested. But untill then all other Efforts must prove nugatory and vain.
I have the honor to be, By order of the Chamber of Commerce, Gentlemen, &c., ISAAC Low, President.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 4th March, 1782.
PRESENT.
Thomas Buchanan, Vice-President. Robert R. Waddel, Treasurer. Anthony Van Dam, Secretary.
Edward Laight, William Laight,
Gerrard Walton,
William Lowther,
William Backhouse, William Kenyon,
Frederick Rhinelander.
Fined for appearing after six o'clock :
William Pagan, Vincent P. Ashfield,
Thomas Buchanan,
James Douglass,
Joshua Watson,
Richard Smith,
John Murray,
Oliver Templeton,
Thomas C. Williams,
John Miller,
David Seabury,
Andrew Kerr,
Patrick McDavitt,
Samuel Hake,
John Ponsonby.
GOVERNOR ROBERTSON enclosed a MEMORIAL of the Proprietors of Wharfs209 in this City, praying for an in- crease of the pay of Vessels Wharfage,21ยบ which being de- bated, the consideration thereof was postponed untill the next meeting, that they may inform themselves on the Merits of the Petition.
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Ordered-That Messrs. Vincent P. Ashfield, Joshua Watson, Abram Walton, James Douglass, Samuel Hake, Joseph Allicocke, and John Ponsonby, be a Committee untill the first Tuesday in April next, to hear and determine disputes between parties submitting the same to their determination, and that they do report their pro- ceedings to this Corporation.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 2d April, 1782.
PRESENT.
Isaac Low, President. Anthony Van Dam, Secretary.
David Seabury,
Alexander Wallace,
William Kenyon.
Fined for appearing after six o'clock :
William Backhouse,
Samuel Donaldson,
James Douglass,
John Taylor,
John McAdam,
Daniel McCormick,
Richard Smith,
John Tench,
Richard Sharpe,
Joshua Watson,
William Lowther,
William Ustick,
Patrick McDavitt,
Joseph Allicocke,
John Murray,
Samuel Hake.
Ordered-That Messrs. William Seton, Gabriel H. Ludlow, Edward Laight, Richard Yates, Daniel McCor- mick, Hugh Wallace, and Gerr'd Walton, be a Com- mittee, untill the first Tuesday in May next, to hear and determine disputes between parties submitting such to their determination, and that they do report their pro- ceedings to this Corporation.
THE PETITION of Owners of Wharfs to Governor ROBERTSON having been duly considered by the Chamber, they are of opinion :
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THAT ALL OWNERS OF WHARFS who shall produce a Certificate from the Wardens of the Port that their Wharves are in perfect repair and good condition, shall hereafter be intitled to receive from all Masters and Owners of Vessells that shall lay fast'ned thereto, for every Vessell not exceeding 100 Tons Carpenter's measurement, at the rate of three shillings p. Day ; for all Vessells above 100 Tons and not exceeding 300 Tons, 4s 6d p. Day ; and all Vessels above 300 Tons 6s p. Day.
That all Vessells laying in the outside Berths of the above description to pay one half of the above rated Wharfage.
WHEREUPON the President wrote the following Letter to his Excellency the GOVERNOR :
SIR,
I have the honor to inclose the opinion of the Chamber of Commerce on the Petition your Excellency was pleased to refer to their consideration, relative to the increase of wharfage and putting and keeping the Wharf in repair, so necessary for the accomodation of Trade.
Those Regulations they conceive will be perfectly agreeable, as well to those who pay as to those who receive Wharfage ; and should they be honored with your Excelly's approbation, may be put into immediate exe- cution.
The PRESIDENT laid before the Chamber Copies of Letters from Capt. ST. CLAIR uu to the President, and one from him to Capt. St. Clair, [which] were in the words following :
COMMANDANT'S OFFICE, 2d March, 1782.
SIR,
In consequence of an application from Mr. William Lyon and Mr. John McCole (recommended by the Magistrates of Police) to have a matter of theirs, which has been before a Committee of the Chamber of Commerce, laid before the Chamber at large, the Com- mandant requests you will please to direct the Gentlemen who com- pose that body to meet, when it may be convenient to you and them, to hear the parties and report to him your opinion. I have the honor to be, Sir, your most obed't H'ble Serv't,
JNO. ST. CLAIR, Secr'y.211
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CAPT. ST. CLAIR :
As I was lame, and could not attend the Chamber of Commerce, I sent the Letter you honored me with to Mr. Buchanan, the Vice-President, who Informs me that they investigated very minutely the proceedings of their Committee from the papers which they were possessed of relative to Claims of Mr. William Lyon and Mr. John McCole, which were not (as they supposed) passed over unnoticed, but, on the contrary, fully considered ; and the Chamber do intirely concur with the Monthly Committee that the Claimants are not intitled to any damages from the Vessel, Master, or Mariners, for any deficiency or supposed embezzlement alledged against them. I have, &c.,
ISAAC LOW.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 7th May, 1782.
PRESENT.
Isaac Low, President.
Thomas Buchanan, Vice-Pres't.
Robert R. Waddell, Treasurer. Anthony Van Dam, Secretary. Patrick McDavitt, William Backhouse,
Alex'r Wallace, John Miller.
Will'm Kenyon,
Fined for appearing after six o'clock :
Joshua Watson,
John Oothout,
Robert R. Waddel,
Vincent P. Ashfield,
Thomas Buchanan,
William Laight,
Thomas C. Williams,
John Ponsonby,
William Pagan,
Richard Sharpe,
Samuel Donaldson,
Daniel McCormick,
Samuel Hake,
David Seabury,
Oliver Templeton,
Frederick Rhinelander,
Richard Yates.
The PRESIDENT laid before the Chamber a Letter from ADMIRAL DIGBYVY to GOVERNOR ROBERTSON, dated the 3d April, when a Special Meeting took the same into consideration, and thereupon ordered the President to
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reply thereto. Both Letters are here transcribed, and Mr. President's Letter approved of :
NEW YORK, April 3d, 1782.
SIR,
There are already above one Thousand Men out in Privateers, and four more ready, to man which will take above 200 men. I must therefore beg your Excellency will withhold granting any more Com- missions till the return of some of the large Privateers whose cruizes are expired, as there are two frigates212 now in the port that cannot be sent to sea for want of men.
At the same time, I beg it may be understood that I mean to give all the encouragement to Privateers in my power, whenever the King's service will permit.
But I must beg leave to take this opportunity of informing your Excellency that unless they are kept within bounds, it will be impos- sible to carry on the King's service : and that the Perseverance, be- longing to Messrs. King213 & Kemble, and commanded by Mr. Ross, 214 has sailed without my pass, and returned to the Hook and sailed again after bidding defiance to the Guard Ship and King's Boats, which, if suffered to pass unnoticed, must in the end prove a great detriment to my Intentions. I have the honor to be
Your Excellency's very ob't servant,
ROBT. DIGBY. (Signed,)
His EXCELLENCY LIEUT. GEN. ROBERTSON.
SIR, I took the earliest opportunity of laying before the Chamber of Commerce the Letter relative to privateers which Your Excellency received from the Admiral and did me the honor to inclose for that purpose.
The Chamber of Commerce are exceeding sorry to find his Excellency the Admiral intimates that encouraging privateers is incompatible with and prejudicial to the King's Service.
They flattered themselves the reasons urged in a Memorial (a copy of which we now beg leave to inclose) presented to his Excellency on that sub- ject should, after his arrival to this Command, had convinced him of the contrary position
That there may be Individuals (from which perhaps no Community is exempt) who may be disposed to transgress or have actually violated the Stipulations set forth in that Memorial in which privateers were permitted to fit out, the Chamber of Commerce cannot but sincerely regret and would
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wish they might on due conviction be punished according to the nature of their offence, but to take out a great part of the best men and put them on board Men of War and thereby in a manner breaking up the Cruise without regularly trying the offenders are terms too hard for any owners, however opulent, to attempt to combat.
The best human Laws and Institutions are liable to abuse, but to abolish them altogether for that reason were to render the remedy far worse than the disease and therefore cannot be the bounds, within which unless priva- teering be kept, his Excellency the Admiral means to be understood it will be impossible to carry on the King's Service.
Past uniform experience abundantly justifies us in observing to your Excellency that however difficult it may be to carry on the King's Service, unless Privateers are kept within bounds, it will be found much more so if these bounds be reduced to too narrow a compass.
Due encouragement to Privateers is in other words only to tempt both Landsmen as well as Seamen by the most powerful inducements, that of making it their Interest, to resort from all parts of the Continent to this port. Nor has any Maxim obtained more universal assent than that all wise Governments should assiduously consult and attend to the Temper and Genius of the people, and it is notorious that the Genius of no people was ever more peculiar or conspicuous than that of the Americans for Privateer- ing. 215 If therefore, that Genius be counteracted it must necessarily produce the evils inseparable from such conduct in all other Cases.
Within bounds or due encouragement being however indefinite Terms, we beg leave to explain to Your Excellency what we mean by the latter, as we wish upon an important an occasion to be well understood.
Due encouragement then in our idea to privateers, or in other words to increase the number of Seamen in this Port, and thereby upon any grand emergency more effectually to man his Majesty's Ships consists in a few simple obvious Principles, not merely to be published to the world, but strictly and invariably adhered to, viz :
To impress no man returning from Captivity by Cartel or Escape untill their return to this Port after performing one Voyage.
To impress no man on shore or from any outward bound Vessels, but that this Port should really and truly be an asylum to all of the above description, except as is before mentioned, on some grand emergency, for, rather than be liable to an impress on board Men of War on their arrival here before they have made a Voyage, experience has fully evinced they will enter on Board Merchant Vessels and Privateers amongst the Rebels.
If, therefore, there were Ten Thousand men instead of only One Thousand in Privateers from this Port, it were far less an Evil considered in the most unfavorable light, even supposing not one of them could ever be got to enter on Board the King's Ships, than to have them in Privateers acting against us, which would certainly be the alternative.
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Having thus presumed to give your Excellency our Candid sentiments about Privateers ; We beg leave to add that although it may not be thought expedient to give encouragement to them in the full extent we have men- tioned : unless his Excellency, the Admiral, can permit Privateers to fit out and Man in this Port upon more liberal and permanent Principles than are now granted, particularly as to the number of Men on board each Privateer, what is called encouragement is only specious and does not merit that appelation. For at present, Privateers, instead of running to Men of War for protection, and giving as they might often do, important intelligence, they avoid and run from them as they would from an enemy for fear of losing many of their Men; and therefore rather than have Privateering admitted upon the present loose footing, the Chamber of Commerce evidently wish, and here they are confident they express the general sentiments of the Citizens of New York, that if his Excellency, the Admiral, can reconcile it with his Ideas of promoting the King's Service, Privateering out of this Port may be not only restrained within bounds, but altogether suppressed, for, although some may thereby be deprived the pleasure of being enriched by the Spoils of their Enemies, all will at least be relieved from the stinging reproach of obstructing his Majesty's Service.
On the footing of favor they wish not to be gratified in Privatereing, nor on any other than that of its being considered and encouraged as one of the best means of annoying and humbling his Majesty's Enemies.
The late unfortunate disasters, the few arrivals, and the peculiar dulness of Trade, all conspire to render the want of Seamen greater than usual : but when it is considered how many Vessels have been purchased and manned for the Public Service, 216 besides the King's Ships of various deno- minations, and the great number of Seamen which this Port has constantly furnished, We rather wonder whence they could be collected than that no more have offered, and in this important point of View we are confident this Port can be exceeded by none upon this Continent, and perhaps is not far below the second in Great Britain.
Ordered-That Messrs. William Backhouse, Au- gustus Van Horne, Frederick Rhinelander, John Miller, Jacob Watson, Will'm Kenyon, and Alexander Wallace, be a Committee untill the first Tuesday in June next, to hear and determine disputes between parties submitting such to their determination, and that they do report their proceedings to this Corporation.
THE ROYAL CHARTER, as well as the LAWS of this Corporation, appoint this Day for the Election of Officers
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for the ensuing Year, when the following Gentlemen were balloted for, and duly elected :
ISAAC LOW, President.
THOMAS BUCHANAN,
JACOB WALTON,
Vice-Presidents.
ROBERT R. WADDLE, Treasurer. ANTHONY VAN DAM, Secretary.
And all except Mr. Jacob Walton, who was not pres- ent, were duly sworn agreeable to the Charter to execute their respective offices.
Ordered-That the Committee of the Month Audit the Treasurer's . Accounts.
Ordered-That Mr. Treasurer demand from each Member 40s. in advance towards the expence of the Cham- ber, and that it be repaid, or a proportion thereof, out of the Fines to be collected.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 4th June, 1782.
PRESENT. Anthony Van Dam, Secretary.
Vincent P. Ashfield,
Joseph Allicocke,
Richard Sharpe,
William Backhouse.
COMMITTEE IN ROTATION to hear and determine dis- putes until the first Tuesday in July next : John Murray, Samuel Donaldson, John L. McAdam, Patrick McDavitt, John Oothout, Edward Goold, Thomas Goodwin.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE .- TUESDAY, 2d July, 1782.
PRESENT.
Isaac Low, President. Anthony Van Dam, Secretary.
Gerrard Walton, William Laight,
William Backhouse.
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Fined for appearing after six o'clock :
David Seabury,
Samuel Hake,
John Murray,
Edward Goold,
William Kenyon,
Vincent P. Ashfield,
Samuel Donaldson,
Patrick McDavitt,
Robert R. Waddell,
Alexan. Wallace,
Oliver Templeton,
Richard Sharpe,
Isaac Low,
Fred. Rhinelander,
Andrew Kerr,
Thomas Buchanan,
Daniel McCormick,
John Oothout,
Thomas Goodwin.
THE REGISTER of the Monthly Committee's decisions being mislaid :
Ordered-That the Committee for the present month, or any member, make enquiry for the same; when found, de- liver it to the SECRETARY, that their reports may be entered.
Ordered-That Messrs. Oliver Templeton, John Taylor, Andrew Kerr, John Tench, Henry Brevoort, William Pagan, and William Ustick, be a Committee, untill the first Tuesday in August next, to hear and deter- mine disputes between parties submitting the same to their determination, and that they do report their proceedings to this Corporation.
Ordered-That the President do write to GENERAL ROBERTSON, requesting to know whether the Letter writ- ten to him on the subject of Privateering had been laid before the ADMIRAL, and whether any or what Answer had been given thereto ; and also that he write to the Admi- ral, representing that the Trade and Fishery was unpro- tected, and requesting that some means may be pursued so as to encourage the Fishermen to take Fish for a supply to this Garrison, and that its Commerce may not be annoyed by the Privateers and Whaleboats that infest even the Narrows.217
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