Mohawk Valley genealogy and history : [a compilation of clippings, 1945-1946], Part 64

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MOHAWK

GENEALOGY

AND HISTORY

St. Johnsvilie Enterprise and News, St. Johnsville, N. Y.

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 1946

Questions and Answers . A department devoted to the pursuit of knowledge. No charge to regular subscribers. Any reader, whether subscriber or not, is invited to submit answers. Give dates, places and sources.

AUSTIN

Data of these brothers wanted, Samuel Austin who lived Unadilla, N. Y. and Jesse Pomeroy Austin (called "Pom" Austin who was born, about 1825 and died 1903 West Burlington, N. Y. He, married Sabrina Manzer who may have been from Norwich, N. Y.

MANZER, AUSTIN, GALE

Who were the parents of these sis- ters? Sabrina Manzer born 1825-30, married Jesse Pomeroy Austin. They lived in West Burlington, N., Y. where both died about 1903-5. Kath- erine Manzer born Jan. 15, 1825, died 1909, married Riel Chapman Gale of Norwich, N. Y. AUSTIN

Would like name of wife and child- ren of Elias Austin born Augusst 22, 1803, son of Gardiner Austin born 1780 Westford, Vt. and his wife Nan- cy Crandall.

BICE, FANCHER, JOHNSON

Who were the parents of these Bice children ? 1

Antoinette Bice who died over 70

Would like to know wife's name years old in 1918-19, married first of the lady who married Jacob Phil- N. Y. 1822, died 1903, married Dan-

Fancher. Lived a while in West Bur- lips, born in Johnstown, N. Y. 1750, died Root, N. Y. 1835. Family lived around Montgomery county, except lington, N. Y. She had a sister (Mary?) who married James John- son and lived Bridgewater, N. Y. four sons went to central western Their children were James, Burt and part of New York State. Melvin Johnson.

There probably was a brother Al- bert Bice who lived New Berlin, N. Y. about 1900.

MANSUR

Data and list of children of Capt.

ada. He had a daughter Lois born 1799, died 1880, married 1819 Hazen Pomeroy born 1796 Brookfield, Vt. and probably of Stanistead, Canada. Mrs. J. E. Fancher,

RFD 4, Troy, N. Y.

WOOLCUTT, WALCUTT

Data desired on the ancestry of James Walcutt. or Woolcutt who married Susanna Cohagen and re- sided in Fairfax Co., Va in 1810 when their son William was born. Moved to Ohio about 1817-18. James was born about 1785 either in Va. or Tai- bot county, Maryland where his father is known to have been born Information wanted on

and raised.

the Woolcutts in Fairfax Vo., Va. and Talbot Co., Md. from.1775 to 1815. Would like to hear from de- scendants of John Woolcutt, a Revo- lutionary soldier from Talbot Co.,

Md., 1776. Mrs. Irene W. Gilpin,

P. O. Box 3,

Napoleon, Ohio

PHILLIPS

III. Margaret Phillips born Root,

iel Smith.

Daniel Smith, Civil war soldier born Jan. 13, 1808 in New York state died in Fultonville, Montgomery Co., Aprii 3, 1903, was N. Y. Vol. Co. C,, 153 Regt,

Daniel Smith, the son of Richrd Smith, born in Holland. His mother, Nancy Duel born Holiand.

Mrs. Ray C. Milier,

WELLER

Information wanted on the family| 175 N. Main street,

Daniel Mansur of Vermont and Can- lof Jacob Weller and wife Mary Dolgeville, N. Y.

House, Loucks and Wagner Problem

On page 3 in my book "The House Family of the Mohawk," I mention Maria Margaretha, a daughter of the first Christian Hauss who came to America She was one of eight child- ren most of whom were born in Ger- many and who came with the Pala- tines to this continent during the years 1708-1710. She was born in Drham Italienes Land 1687. In a for- mer writing some years ago in the Enterprise and News I mentioned her as being the wife of the first Peter Wagner who was born in Duck- enhausen Province of Bramgack 'in Hasse-Durmstadt Oct. 4, 1687.

Some exception was taken to that statement and I immediately inform- ed my objectors that I was unfamil- Oriskany . August, 1777. He married iar. with the Wagner family history Nina Abeel, a white girl but a haif which claimed that the wife of Peter sister of the Indian chief Cornplant- ker. Wagner was a Maria Margretha Loucks. In both cases the name is The above named Peter Wagner sometimes called Anna Margretha:"+ My use of the name Maria Cath-

(h) could easily be taken for an lad 9 to 15 years old. No wife men- (L). You can understand."

tioned. They were probably brothers: To further quote: "Peter Wagner I believe this John Becker was a born in Duckenhausan, Province of son of the widow of John Becker Brumback, in Hasse-Darmstadt Oct. 4, 1687 with his wife Anna Mar- gretha, some say Loucks, but I say House born in Orhan Italienar Land in 1686. who married Sept 27, 1710 to Chris- tian Hauss, widower Please note that this John Becker and his step- sister were sponsors at the : baptism; Their second daughter, Maria of Anna Margretha Lehr Also note Catharine. Wagner ..... born. Aug. 18, 1714. The sponsors were George Eck- ar, Maria Catharine Young and Ma- ria Elizabeth Loucks. that the sponsors at the baptism of Attilia, Heiena Lehr were John Adam Walrath and Magdalena Eckhart, two.names connected with the House family. Attilia Helena later went by This is the only time except one where the name Loucks appears in the name of Lana Leer or Lahr and is given in the Stone Arabia Rer. the second and third generation of church record as the wife of Peter the Wagner family line.

Lommis and was the mother of a family. Census of 1710 says John Lahr, wife and 1 lad, 1 maid and 1 girl. Gov. Hunter's ration list, gives John Lahr on west side of Hudson river. Census of 1715 mentions John

Maria Catharine Wagner married George Rosner. They had a son Jo- hann George Rosner born April 17, 1755, The sponsors were Hans George Hauss and wife Sophia. Another son, Jacob Rosner was killed in Battle of Lahr's wife Sybilla Catherine with five children living at New Castle. The question is, who was Sybilia Catharine, wife of Johannes Lahr ? Was she another daughter of Chris- tian House by his first wife ?"And. and Anna Margretha had a fourth why were Johan Becker and Mara daughter named Catherine Elizabeth

Margretha Wagner, wife of Peter Wamian cinanooneof a child of Sith

(maiden name unknown) who went to Veteran, N. Y., then in Tioga Co., now in Chemung Co., the first record there being a deed dated 1823.

He died about 1845 and children were listed as.

1. Nathaniel and wife Nancy of

Ledyard, Cayuga Co., N. Y.

2. Horace and wife Lavina of Vet- eran, Chemung Co., N. Y.

3. Frederick and wife Anna Spear of Athens, Bradford Co., Pa.

4. Theodore V. and Catharine of Veteran, Chemung Co., N. Y.

5. Jacob Alanson and wife Julia Fitzgerald of Athens, Bradford Co., Pa.

There were also 5 daughters iiv- ing in 1836 when the will was made. Ralph H. Weller,

132 St. James street, Mansfield, Pa.

PHILLIPS

Jacob Phillips I (Revolutionary soldier) born March 29, 1750 at Johnstown, N. Y. married Betsey Manderville, died Feb. 18, 1835 in Root, N Y., Montgomery Co.

Son, Jacob II born 1772, died Dec., 12, 1856, married Getty Lathers, by Rev. Elijah Herrick at Riders Cor- ners, town of Charleston, Montgom- ery Co., N. Y. Sept. 23, 1801. Issue:

Mrs. Edward W. Shineman,

Great great grandchild of Ja- cob Phillips

Canajoharie, N. Y.

VALLEY

* There probably was a brother Ai- bert Bice who lived New Berlin, N. Y. about 1900. MANSUR Data and list of children of Capt.

Great great grandchild of Ja- cob Phillips Canajoharie, N. Y.

WELLER

Information wanted on the family

Daniel Smith, the son of Richrd Smith, born in Holland. His mother, Nancy Duel born Holland.

Mrs. Ray C. Miller,

175 N. Main street,

Daniel Mansur of Vermont and Can- of Jacob Weiler 'and wife Mary Doigeville, N. Y.

House, Loucks and Wagner Problem

Some exception was taken to that statement and I immediately inform- ed my objectors that I was unfamil- iar with the Wagner family history which claimed that the wife of Peter Wagner was a' Maria" Margretha Loucks. In" both cases the name "is sometimes called Anna; Margrethe.

My use of the name Maria Cath- arina was in error,in both cases. Since the publication of the book, "The House Family of the Mohawk" during the past summer I have re- ceived inquiries as to which is cor- rect, the claims of the Wagner gen- ealogist or the findings 'of the gen- ealogist who assisted me in my work and who says that Peter Wag- ner's wife was Maria . Margretha

House and not Maria Margretha Loucks as claimed by the Wagner genealogist. Our genealogist was Mr. Frank D, Deuei, that that time iiv- ing in Schenectady, N. Y. and who has reputation of being thorough and conscientious in his research work. The records and comments following are from letters received from him, and with his comments on same.

In a ietter dated April 10, 1932 he says: "The Wagner family record book published by the Enterprise and News says that the wife of the first Peter Wagner was a Loucks. The typewritten copy of the Stone Arabia Lutheran church says she was Maria Margretha Lauas. I claim that Lauas was probably Louse which would be Hauss. There were many House sponsors in the Wagner fam- ily in my chart which indicates near relationship."

In a letter under date of Feb. 14, 1933 he says. "I am enclosing pre- pared by me, a paper which I wink wili furnish some proof in regard to my earlier statement that the irst Peter Wagner married a House giri and not a Louck or Laux giri.

You will understand that I stood alone in my opinion as the Wagner family genealogy already published, and a typewritten copy of the Stone; Arabia Lutheran church records on fiic in the N. Y. 'State Library both' call her Loucks. Perhaps they were justified in their belief as a small (h) and à capital.(L) were often-, times written . the same. A German

(h) could easily be taken for an, iad 9 to 15 years old. No wife men- (L). You can understand."

To further quote: "Peter Wagner born in Duckenhausan, Province of Brumback, in Hasse-Darmstadt Oct. 4, 1687 with his wife Anna Mar- gretha, some say Loucks, but I say House born in Orhan Italienar Land in 1686.

Their second daughter, Maria

Catharine-Wagner born, Aug, 18, 1714. The sponsors were George Eck- ar, Maria Catharine Young and Ma- ria Elizabeth Loucks.

This is the only time except one where the name Loucks appears in the second and third generation of the Wagner family line.

Maria Catharine Wagner married George Rosner. They had a son Jo- hann George Rosner born April 17, girl. Gov. Hunter's ration . list., gives 1755. The sponsors were Hans George Hauss and wife Sophia. Another son, Jacob Rosner was killed in Battle of Oriskany : August, 1777. He married Nina Abeei, a white girl but a haif sister of the Indian chief Cornpiant- 'er.

The above named Peter Wagner and"Anna Margretha had a fourth why were" Johan" Becker and Mara daughter named Catherine Elizabeth. born Sept. 10, 1718. " The 'sponsods were Lambert Sternberger, Anna Elizabeth Hauss and Catharine Lear (Lahr).

This daughter married George Saitsman. (Pay strict, attention to

this.) George Saitsman and Cathar- ine Elizabeth Wagner had their sec- ond daughter named Anna Margretha Saltsman born Nov. 14, 1748. Now

notice. The sponsors were Peter Wagner and Anna Margretha Hauss. (Of course the grandparent were the sponsors of the child.)

The same George Saltsman and Catharine Elizabeth had the seventh son born Feb. 8, 1758 named Peter Saitsman. The sponsors were Peter Hauss and Barbara Krauts.

The same Peter Wagner and Anna Margaretha had their sixth child, Johan Peter Wagner (Coi.) born Jan. 8, 1722. The sponsors The Old Red School House were Peter Kneiskern, Gottfried Fidier and Ma- ria Elizabeth ' Knieskern. This Col. Peter Wagner and his wife Barbara Elizabeth Dockstader were the par- ents of John Jost Wagner born Mar. By S. C. Kimm A History of the District Schools 6, 1759 who married Catherine Abeel. | In New York State and more particu- haif sister of the Indian chief Corn- larly of the schools In the Town of pianter, although ' 'Catharine Abeel was of pureiy white biood. Salisbury, Herkimer, N. Y.

Johan Jost Wagner was the father of a son John Jost Wagner born Sept 22, 1791. Sponsors were Johan Jost Hauss and Maria Streeter."

In a ietter under date of March 15, 1933 Mr. Deuel quotes: "Johan- nes Leer (Lehr) and wife Sylbiila Catherine had chiid Anna Margretha born July 8, 1712. Sponsores were Jo- .han Becker, Anna Margretha Ger- lach and Maria Margretha Wagner. Also child Attilia Helena, born May 8, 1717, bapt. June 6, 1717 at Scho- harle, N. Y. Sponsors . John Adam Walrath; - Magdalena Eckhard and Attilia Curring.

tioned. They were probably brothers. I believe this John Becker was a son of the widow of John Becker who married Sept 27, 1710 to Chris- tian Hauss, widower Please note

that this John Becker and his step- sister were sponsors at the baptism of Anna Margretha Lehr Also note that the sponsors at the baptism of Attilia Heiena Lehr were John Adam Wairath and Magdalena "Eckhart, two names connected with the House family. Attilia Heiena later went by the name of Lana Leer or Lahr and is given in the Stone Arabia Rer. church record as the wife of Peter Lommis and was the mother of family. Census of 1710 says John .Lahr, wife and 1 lad, 1 maid and 1

John Lahr on west side of Hudson river. Census of 1715 mentions John Lahr's wife Sybilla Catherine with five children living at New Castie. The question is, who ". was Sybilia Catharine, wife of Johannes Lahr? Was'she another daughter of Chris- tian House by his first wife ? And Margretha Wagner, wife of Peter Wagner sponsors of a child of Sy- billa Catherine ,and John Lahr ? 'I have toid why I believe the wife of Peter Wagner was a House. Now it is up to the Wagner genealogist. to teil why she was a Loucks giri.

As a matter of fact when Peter appeared as Wagner and his wife

sponsors to a grandchild she was called House in the church record.". The above is submitted to the read- ers of this paper, not for argument, but to show why Mr. Deuei was pos- itive of his belief. I believe his con- ciusions are based on good au- thority and I shall have to take his findings as a basis for my, records.

Meivon Rhodes Shaver,

Ransomvilie, N. Y

(Continued from last week)

Probably this Waterman belongeu to the same family for whom Water- man Hill was named. The Munson family were prominent in Salisbury for many years and Jacob Munson held the office for three years. Thos. Rice aiso heid the office for three; years.

Abiel Pratt bought land of Alvarius Hopson and settied on a farm in 1794 west of the center near Spruce Creek. The Pratt house is still stand- ing, one of the oldest, if not the old- est house in Salisbury at the present time. He was supervisor in' 1828 and was elected tawn school commie;

Census of 1710 west side of Hud- |Homer to License teachers for. four, con river-John Becker, 1 man, 1 [successive years." He was also town!

LOCAL HISTORY'

clerk in 1805.

Another popular man for licensing teachers was Horace Loomis, who was elected 5 different years. Ther' were also Geo. Alton, one time si .. pervisor; John D. Hall, E. W. Whit- ney, Stephen Brown and Hiram Had- ley who served 3'years. Erwin By- ington also served one year. The By- ington family were skilled mechanics. George L. Byington was a gunsmith and had his machine shop near the old covered bridge In Salisbury Cen- ter. I recall his making a brass mow- ing machine for the Warrior mowing fact that numbers machine in Little Falls.

An Outstanding School Man Judging from the records at hand the most conspicuous and the most influential of the 20 or more different town school commissioners elected to license teachers was James Hopson, placed in the office by popular vote 17 or more different years, from 1822 to 1839. He was one of the six sons of Alvarius Hopson who settled in the Hopson district as early as 1794 where the old Hopson homestead still stands. From that early day to the present time in things educational the Hopsons have played a leading role, in the town of Salisbury. It is Interesting to note that a scion of that old family is ably filling the same office of superintendent of Salisbury schools held by his great great uncle 120 years ago.

Town Superintendent of Schools

In 1843 an act was passed by the legislature which abolished the of- fice of town inspe cor and town com- missioner of anools and in their stead' one oficial was to be elected by popular vote known as town su- perinte dent of schools. Let us look over the short list of those who held chis office from 1843 to 1856 and see whether we find any familiar fam- ily names of the present time. First there was George W. Alton 1842 to 1845 who had already served several years as town school commissioner. There are many men and women liv- ing today who will recall the per- haps most literary family of early Salisbury days-the Stebbins. Wil- liam B. Stebbins was a very popu- lar superintendent among the teach- ers of the town for 5 or 6 years. Years later we recall Wm. B. Steb- bins as a physician in the city of Lit- tle Falls on Ann street and J. R. and G. G. Stebbins of the Journal and Courier 1

Frederick Ives served as town superintendent of schools of Salis- bury for at least two years. The Ives family needs no introduction to the people of the town where John and James were the financial wizards of northern Herkimer county for many years.

+ The last in my list of the men who Ilcensed the teachers of the old red school house was J. D. Lamberson. "He was in office in 1854 and may have served until 1856 when the of- fice of town superintendent of schools was abolished and the first county school commissioners were elected. James Lamberson owned a fine farm in the Hopson district on Cold Creek and passed his last days in the most pretentious house in Salisbury Center now occupied by George Van Val- kenburg.

From this time, 1856 to 1912, the first church in New York State was

teachers of the old toll gate or red school house district were obliged to get their, licenses by or through the county school commissioner.

. . '(To be continued)

BY DONALD D. PARKER Brookings, South Dakota "LOCAL HISTORY" -- HOW TO GATHER IT, WRITE IT, AND PUBLISH IT

(Continued from last week) Anniversary Inspired Cooperation An examination of many of the lo- cal histories contained In the large libraries of this country reveals the of them were written in anticipation of an anniver- sary celebration, or as a result of the enthusiasm aroused by such a celebration. The local historian, the local historical society, and other In- dividuals and groups should take advantage of each such occasion to gather, write, and publish local his- torical material. One should strike while the iron is hot, or, perhaps better, strike while it Is getting hot -while the anniversary Is in the im- mediate offing. It Is easier to fin- ance a local history or local church history at the time of an anniver- sary than at any other period. How- ever, you need not wait for a perfect anniversary date to celebrate. There is no reason why the nintieth anni- versary of a town should not be cel- ebrated as well as the hundredth. The 25th, 50th, 75th, 100th, 125th, 150th, etc., are favorite occasions for anniversary celebrations, but the multiples of decades are often cele- brated as well, such as the 30th, 40th, 50th, 60th and 70th. Do not be too particular about what anniversary you celebrate. If the settlers moved into your region in 1832, you are ob- viously too late to plan for a centen- nial of their arrival, but by hunting about you may find that the com- munity was not officialy named'un-

of .the town which began- in. 18472 Again you may find that settlement began in 1800, the town was incor- porated in 1815, but changed; its; name to another about 1849. You can take the convenient date as the one. whose centennial is to be celebrated, Two recent . anniversary-inspired: histories come to mind, though many. could be mentioned. One is about one hundred and forty-five pages in length, bound in stiff paper covers,. and written as a cooperative project by 20 or 30 authors. Each - of the. ten churches of the community, for instance,, has a separate history; written by its own historian and oc- cupying about two pages each. The pictures are all grouped together, at the end, doubtless for economy. The city fathers appointed a committee, to write the local history and] pre -. pare as well for the approaching. centennial ceebration. The second an- niversary-inspired local history, was; not so pretentious, sold for 25, cents, and included a pageant of; the com" munity's past.

It is probably best to, link. any contemplated local history with an niversary celebration if at all possi- ble. One should not, however, wait idly around until an opportune date is not far off.

There are, thus, various, avenues, ways, and means for the writing oft local history and to him who has the will . and the endurance, the lasting. enthusiasm and the unfagging pa- tience, the painstaking meticulous ness and the constant inspiration, the field is fertile and, in many instances, hardly trail-blazed. Go forth, willing: searcher, and may the reward of Clio's benediction be yours to gulde- til, let us say, 1847. You can fix up- your steps along the long but entic- on the anniversary to commemorate the centennial of the corporate life ing paths of local history writing ..

(To be continued)

There are some . instances where ORIGIN OF THE FIRST SETTLERS.

vital records of citles or towns go back as far as 1888, such as in New York city, for example. But laws re- quiring the registering of vital sta- cent date.

tistles with the towns and cities did not go Into effect until 1908, rela- tively a short time ago. This leaves the chief source of early records in the church registers of the various districts, and it is fortunate for us that so many of these early records were kept in such a methodical man- ner.

Probably the earliest records made in the state were those of the Jes- uit priests from Canada, who roam- ed through the state.in the very .ear. ly days converting the Indians. The French were said to have had a trad- Ing post near the present site of Al- bany about 1580. Any records these Jesuits made were carried back Canada or possibly to France, and to to my knowledge are not available now. New York City . was settled in 1614, supposedly by the Dutch, but the names reveal the settlers to have been largely French Huguenots. These people, however, did not have an early church of their own. The

OF THE HUDSON VALLEY

AND NEW YORK CITY

(Continued from last week)

1654 Claes Hendrickse Van Schoon« hoven, Jacob Tysse Van der Heyden, Teunes Cornelisse Vander Poel, Wy- ant Gerritse Vander Poel, Jeremias; Van Rensselaaer,"" "Reynier Wissel- penning, Pleter Jacobse, Borsboom, Symon Symonse Groot, Pieter Janse Loockermans, Hendrick Marselis,

Thomas Janes Mingall,' an Peeck (Peck), Pieter Quackenbush, Teunis Cornelisse/ Slingerland, Arent Van den Bergh.

1655. Gerrit Bancker, Leendert

Philipse Conyn,' Claes Andriesse De Graef, Elizabeth Hendrickse Lans-

ing, Rem Jansen Vander Beeck,

Myndert Frederickse Van Iveren, Cornelis Wynkoop, Marselis Jans Van Bommel (Marselis), Harmen Al -. bertse Vedder.

1656. Frans Pieterse Clauw, Tjerk. Claesse de Witt, Matheus Abrahamso . Van Deusen, Pieter Meesses Vroo. . man, Marten Cornelisse Van Yssel -. steyn.

1657. Willem Brouwer, Roeloft'

Dirk

Wesselse Ten,A.

Swartwout,

uysen, Wouter Albertse Van den~ Uythoff, Cornelis Van Dyck, Barthol& omeus Pieterse Hogeboom, Barent Rynders. ..

the Dutch Reformed of New York City, established in 1628, although its records do not begin until 1639. From other sources, we find that the first 1658. Claes Van Schaick, Jan Bar- child was born in New York City in antse Kunst, Pieter Van Alen. 1625. Although the second church in 1659, Hendrick Martense (Wiltsle)

the state (Dutch Reformed)_Was Man Cannanhnegen Arnout Cornellsa

Salisbury days-the Stebbins. Wil- ilam B. Stebbins was a very popu- iar superintendent among the teach- ers of the town for 5 or 6 years. Years later we recall Wm. B. Steb- bins as a physician in the city of Lit- tle Falls on Ann street and J. R. and G. G. Stebbins of the Journal and

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Mohawk Valley genealogy and history : [a compilation of clippings, 1945-1946], Part 64

Author: Publication date: 1942 Publisher: [1942-1949] Number of Pages: 276

Author:
Publication date: 1942
Publisher: [1942-1949]
Number of Pages: 276